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Post by MikeDotBe on Feb 20, 2006 20:33:13 GMT 2
everybody does break that rule...
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Post by mpanayiotakis on Feb 20, 2006 23:48:15 GMT 2
OK, some people still don't get it. If we all did what Aris and others did (do or whatever) then noone would be able to buy a rare (even not so rare!) item (only once every 50 or so items). It would be a constant competition of who would make the fastest offer. Dog eat dog. Who would want to start a collection under these terms ? I certainly wouldn't! Because there would be no such thing as cheap, hidden or rare item available. The reason Damian, Pat and Aris were successful is because we don't want to play the same game. If we all started doing the same, then I really really doubt they could get these items.
And Aris, I'm all for it listing any rare items auctions in here if people agree - I have no problem. Try winning an item then. And forget about the community as it is now. I know that you don't care since you're not part of it (I mean you're not a collector) so I may have said all the above in vain. Pieter was at some point a part of it but it seems to have forgotten what it was like. And if most people don't see what I'm saying I might as well quit collecting as well because I don't belong in here either.
Michael
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Post by sAner on Feb 21, 2006 0:24:36 GMT 2
Pieter was at some point a part of it but it seems to have forgotten what it was like. Michael You are forgetting that some people don't have deep pockets ... Maybe, just maybe, quickly snatching an expensive game the way Aris did and before all the big spenders arrive at the scene, is the only way they'll ever get such gems. Did that thought ever cross your mind? And for your information: I am dying to get my hands on a ps mario bos for over half a year now. Still, I wasn't mad when Aris pulled the auction. And if most people don't see what I'm saying I might as well quit collecting as well because I don't belong in here either. If you're serious with that remark, I have to say you're overreacting. Come on Mike ... except for Nelson, there is NOONE in the entire scene who wants to see you quit. Even if we disagree sometimes. ;D sAner
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Post by Br3nd4N on Feb 21, 2006 0:55:45 GMT 2
I hate to say it but we are a victim of our own "rules". If someone actually bid on these items instead of leaving it to the last min then this problem would not exist...
"Oh yer, I saw that, was going to bid too, it got pulled really, BIN you say...."
In my opinion thats just tough luck, if you saw it, and didnt bid, then your only helping the selller into thinking the item is worthless and assisting someone to go a BIN....
Do you bid on rare items even if you don't want them to help out people who may want them? even if you only bid to 3/4 value it would never get pulled.
I wonder how many views the Mario had before it got pulled? I bet it was not 1.
-B
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Post by rob-catron on Feb 21, 2006 1:26:51 GMT 2
Wow, I'm away a couple of days, and this thread seems to be swinging back and forth.
First Aris was the bad guy, and now I am. Well, perhaps we both are, I suppose in our own ways....
I counted 10 eBayer's that contacted me about this auction. I am not sure how many are on this forum.
Basically, almost all of them, and now, I am not saying all of them, encouraged me to relist it no matter the consequences. There was one person who came back later and said that I should not. I guess I am damned if I do, damned if I don't.
Anyway, it will be interesting to see what happens at about 18:28:14 PST tomorrow night. There are 20 people watching.
One thing that I have found in my treasure hunting (and video game collecting), is that once an item shows up, there will be more, and I will find them and pass them onto you all via eBay.
Sincerely, Rob-Catron
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Post by theblackwizard on Feb 21, 2006 1:27:33 GMT 2
The reason Damian, Pat and Aris were successful is because we don't want to play the same game. If we all started doing the same, then I really really doubt they could get these items. Michael Michael & everyone else that thinks this isn't fair with BINs, how about sharing all your hidden auction secrets to make that fair so that everone has a chance to bid on those items? ***modified*** How about buyer/seller trust? It's certainly one aspect that has been completely overlooked. I know myself that if a regular/familiar buyer offers/ed me a reasonable price (relative) for an item via BIN, I wouldn't hesitate in revising the listing because I know that I wouldn't be any hassles or problems. I know the same goes for alot of other sellers. As for my £20 offer, it is about the same as an English Ball & an English Vermin Manual[/color] that I got. I think that I was lucky here due to timing. I waited for 3 hours before contacting the seller, so there was more than ample time for someone else to place a bid on it. Could it be that alot of you were/are salivating at the mouth because of 1 recent listing item in particular? Damian.
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Post by Aris on Feb 21, 2006 2:00:38 GMT 2
OK, some people still don't get it. If we all did what Aris and others did (do or whatever) then noone would be able to buy a rare (even not so rare!) item (only once every 50 or so items). It would be a constant competition of who would make the fastest offer. Dog eat dog. Who would want to start a collection under these terms ? I certainly wouldn't! Because there would be no such thing as cheap, hidden or rare item available. The reason Damian, Pat and Aris were successful is because we don't want to play the same game. If we all started doing the same, then I really really doubt they could get these items. And Aris, I'm all for it listing any rare items auctions in here if people agree - I have no problem. Try winning an item then. And forget about the community as it is now. I know that you don't care since you're not part of it (I mean you're not a collector) so I may have said all the above in vain. Pieter was at some point a part of it but it seems to have forgotten what it was like. And if most people don't see what I'm saying I might as well quit collecting as well because I don't belong in here either. Michael MP, Oh, I'm a collector alright! I have over 80 games in my collection. How exactly do you think I keep getting those high scores that I submit to you every week or so? I am e-mailing you pictures of the games you know, and I'm not borrowing these games from someone else. My collection may not be as impressive as yours, or most people's on this forum, but, it's my collection, and I'm mighty proud of it! Just b/c it may not be up to snuff in your eyes, does not mean I'm not a collector! And most certainly, just b/c I don't share your belief regarding BINing items, also, does not, NOT make me a collector. I 'll tell you this much, I don't believe in 60/60. To me, the games I remember from my elementary school days were the actual handheld ones! Not the Table Top, not the Panorama, and definitely not the prize winning YM901. Just the 15 Multi-Screen games, the 18 Widescreen games and the 8 Silver and Gold games. That's what I'm talking about! As far as the community is concerned, I am part of it, I just don't fall under the 'kiss Mike's ass and agree with everything he says' part of it. And I refuse to be a hypocrite, like so many of your crew can be at times. I have my own mind, and I don't let other people tell me how to think, or what to think. If people like me, that's fine. If people don't like me, that's fine too! That's their perogative. They just need to make that decsion for themselves, and not b/c they want to fit in. I have my limits in terms of how much I would be willing to spend on a game too. Everything is within reason. I have other priorities in my life, and I would never spend several hundered dollars on any given game. Furthermore, I would NEVER spend the kind of dough, that Paul has spent on his collection, on my collection. Well, maybe if I won the lottery, I would. As you have witnessed recently, people like JWTW and Pulse8 have realised how much money they have tied up in their games, and made a decision based on priorities. Some of us will be lifers, others will give it up at some point, and there's nothing wrong with that. Me? My games would have to quit working before I would give them up. And unlike you, I actually play the games. After all, that is the whole point isn't it? I mean, sure, you want a set of games that are unused and look nice displayed in a glass case or something, but, the reason why we collect these games is b/c we don't want to let go of our past memories. That whole nostalgia thing. I'm not sure why you don't think I'm a collector Mike, but, just b/c there's a difference of opinion between some forum members and the admin-guy, this should never equate into grounds for you to quit collecting. I mean, I don't have that much influence over you, do I? Don't think so! Oh, and by the way, you left some people out of your list of bad BIN people. There are more than just two Aussies and a Canadian doing this terrible, terrible thing. Aris
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Post by devster on Feb 21, 2006 2:25:03 GMT 2
F*ck me sideways. This baby keeps on rolling!!!! I wouldn't say you are the bad guy Rob, just a bit unlucky really and you should have done your research, if you had we wouldn't be in this mess. But hey, sh*t happens and we all move on, which I think is a good idea now. There is one thing that needs to be said before I go... (here we go). I don't really see how if Aris (or anyone else) is a re-seller, what the problem is. You might not like resellers, but they are a part of the food chain. I don't like resellers who pretend to be collectors and bang on about it all the time, but really their motive is to resell all the time. We all make a bit of money (sometimes) out of reselling stuff, so we all like the green stuff just as much as the next man. I bet nearly everyone on here has bought a game off a reseller? You might not have even realised? So with their help, you benefited and got a game you wanted, if he had been a collector it would have been in the collection for good and gone!! Oh and how about Jon, Innis, Andy, Pieter etc They all sold up, so they are resellers, no? I hope they didn't make any money!! (Don't reply that tHis is completely different, I'm not thick, it's just how far do you want to go with all this?). I bought a large part of my collection from resellers, bring them on I say. We don't moan about Jeffard, Basicstone etc who are making a fortune out us all with their 10 packs!!! No - we all steam in there and feed the reseller with our high bids. Why don't we all boycot the jefffard and basicstone auctions and take a stand? 1) We won't because we can't stand the thought of someone getting that MIMB PS cheap!!! 2) No one's got the bottle. 3) We live in the real world, not a dream world and resellers, opportunists, dealers and sharp operators are everywhere in the real world. My 5000 yens worth!!
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Post by Br3nd4N on Feb 21, 2006 6:38:06 GMT 2
G&W Collectors are passionate, what can I say Paul.... lol :mexican:
-B
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Post by sAner on Feb 21, 2006 9:07:07 GMT 2
First Aris was the bad guy, and now I am. Well, perhaps we both are, I suppose in our own ways.... Sincerely, Rob-Catron Because you broke the e-bay rules by not living up to the auction result. And for your information; I never said Aris was the bad guy. I just said he was naughty. In my opinion thats just tough luck, if you saw it, and didnt bid, then your only helping the selller into thinking the item is worthless and assisting someone to go a BIN.... Do you bid on rare items even if you don't want them to help out people who may want them? even if you only bid to 3/4 value it would never get pulled. -B You're dead right on this one Brendan!! I agree with you 100%. Oh and how about Jon, Innis, Andy, Pieter etc They all sold up, so they are resellers, no? When did Andy sell up? sAner
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Post by andycole on Feb 21, 2006 11:13:13 GMT 2
OK, some people still don't get it. If we all did what Aris and others did (do or whatever) then noone would be able to buy a rare (even not so rare!) item (only once every 50 or so items). It would be a constant competition of who would make the fastest offer. Dog eat dog. Who would want to start a collection under these terms ? I certainly wouldn't! Because there would be no such thing as cheap, hidden or rare item available. The reason Damian, Pat and Aris were successful is because we don't want to play the same game. If we all started doing the same, then I really really doubt they could get these items. Michael You are forgetting that some people don't have deep pockets ... Maybe, just maybe, quickly snatching an expensive game the way Aris did and before all the big spenders arrive at the scene, is the only way they'll ever get such gems. Did that thought ever cross your mind? sAner Well, the situation we are in now is that those people who are prepared to make private offers will get all the games, and get them cheap. Those who are not will get nothing. How fair is that? And you're forgetting, Michael, that those '50 or so rare games' will still get sold, and maybe to a greater selection of buyers, if we were all giving private offers. There would still be a lean towards those in the US and Canada for PS games as they are the most likely to be awake when they are listed Pieter is right, it's OK having morals if you've got the money to pay $500+ for a rare game. I've never paid that much for any game and I don't intend to. If private offers are the only way to get a rare game, then you've got a choice, be fair or get a game. The lack of reaction to the DKC instructions proves that it's not morals that drives these reactions to private offers, it's jealousy. We've all just proved it by not reacting to Damian's BIN. Andy. edit: I haven't sold up. I thought about it a couple of times, but I'm hanging in there....60/46 for about the last 2 years!
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Post by mpanayiotakis on Feb 21, 2006 15:59:07 GMT 2
Sorry for not quoting everyone's post. Too much hassle. Anyway..
Aris, in my book (and most people might disagree with this) a collector doesn't buy stuff cheap with the only purpose to resell them a few days later. And please don't tell me you weren't planning on reselling this mario bros because noone can believe that! A collector just buys what he needs for his collection. As for your other comment, it's pathetic. And as you can see most people seem to disagree with me. Who's kissing myass now ?
Pieter if you were still in need of getting items for your collection then you would understand my point. You may want a ps mario bros but said yourself earlier that you don't want to use Ebay - it's no wonder you didn't care and you don't care about what goes on in Ebay. I'm trying to get some pocketsize and other rare items and all (but very little) auctions get pulled! And it's not that I hadn't noticed the auctions! But I see a bigger problem here than my grief and I'm trying to prevent it. You also posted earlier that one of the reasons you quit collecting was resellers.
Everyone's argument that only people with big pockets can win money in auctions is funny because if everyone started giving outside offers then who do you think would win the item then ? Do you people think that Aris' offer of $40 would be enough to get the ps mario bros ? LOL! Get real! The only thing that would change is that the real auction would take place outside Ebay and just that.
I really can't understand why you don't understand my point. Paul, I think we've discussed in extent why resellers are bad for collectors - don't want to go there now. Just take a look in earlier related posts.
Michael
P.S. From now on, I'll be posting all hidden, rare auctions in here. Ok Damian ?
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Post by raffles on Feb 21, 2006 16:48:10 GMT 2
It's loose and untested and comes with a few other amazingly unspectacular games, but I suppose it would still pass as reasonably cheap: Loose purple Judge. I expected this one to end up even lower, actually, but people's interest must have dramatically increased when the seller added the pictures.
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Post by gameboy on Feb 21, 2006 17:02:02 GMT 2
It's loose and untested and comes with a few other amazingly unspectacular games, but I suppose it would still pass as reasonably cheap: Loose purple Judge. I expected this one to end up even lower, actually, but people's interest must have dramatically increased when the seller added the pictures. d**n Raffles, i didnt even notice that one!
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Post by raffles on Feb 21, 2006 17:10:43 GMT 2
Sorry, but I thought I wasn't supposed to post links to running auctions... So I just PMed Kevin about it, because I figured he'd be the only one interested in having multiple copies of that game. But it didn't occur to me until now that I've probably broken yet another unwritten rule by doing so. Sorry if I have.
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