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Post by gameboy on Feb 19, 2006 23:34:21 GMT 2
And the point was? The point was this: loads of people attacked Aris for bidding 40 dollars for a game ... but suddenly the seller of the Lifeboat auction is a 'fool'. I can't see the difference ... Why isn't rob catron a fool then? Why don't we mail the 'foolish' seller of this Lifeboat, tell him about the real value and try and pursuade him to relist??? It's a bit inconsistent ... to say the least. sAner Because Rob did some research before he decided on 60 dollars, granted he didnt know that he had a special "Pocket Size" Game and Watch but he did check prices of common or garden games This seller just put his games up for such a stupidly low price obviously without even checking of there is anything similiar on the market and at what price these games normally go for Any one who sells anything on ebay checks similiar items to see what the going rate is - if you dont you are a fool! Pocket Size games are a rare exception and i wouldnt expect anyone to know about them appart from actual collectors.
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Post by swedengame on Feb 19, 2006 23:44:00 GMT 2
And the point was? The point was this: loads of people attacked Aris for bidding 40 dollars for a game ... but suddenly the seller of the Lifeboat auction is a 'fool'. I can't see the difference ... Why isn't rob catron a fool then? Why don't we mail the 'foolish' seller of this Lifeboat, tell him about the real value and try and pursuade him to relist??? It's a bit inconsistent ... to say the least. sAner Aaaaah so that was your point!! :biggrin: Sorry but I must say that I disagree with you on this one.. And since a few others have already made comments I will spare you mine. :smooch:
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Post by sAner on Feb 20, 2006 0:38:46 GMT 2
Because Rob did some research before he decided on 60 dollars, granted he didnt know that he had a special "Pocket Size" Game and Watch but he did check prices of common or garden games Any one who sells anything on ebay checks similiar items to see what the going rate is - if you dont you are a fool! Pocket Size games are a rare exception and i wouldnt expect anyone to know about them appart from actual collectors. If you don't get that your very differently looking mario bros box is worth more than the standard box then you are a fool in my book. Simple as that. You could (and probably should) have googled for 'game & watch' and 'mario bros' and google would have helped you out in a split second. Come on ... What did rob do? Look at finished mario bros auctions? Didn't he think: "hey, those boxes don't look like my box at all?" Pocketsizes and ordinary boxes are incomparable and everybody can see that. A seller should at least investigate some more because of the noticeable differences. It could be worth less or more but certainly not the same as the differences are so prominent and obvious. Sorry but I must say that I disagree with you on this one.. And since a few others have already made comments I will spare you mine. I am always open for different opinions, but there is no way in hell you can see this differently than I do. The more you guys write about this matter, the more I have to agree with Aris ... You really are very biased. Exact same things are 'wicked' today and 'cool' tomorrow. I can't agree on that. It's either THIS or THAT. Make up your mind. And I am not addressing you especially Ulf. It's just that you were the one that replied to my post. sAner
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Post by raffles on Feb 20, 2006 1:11:50 GMT 2
Aren't 'wicked' and 'cool' synonyms these days?
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Post by gameboy on Feb 20, 2006 1:12:52 GMT 2
Because Rob did some research before he decided on 60 dollars, granted he didnt know that he had a special "Pocket Size" Game and Watch but he did check prices of common or garden games Any one who sells anything on ebay checks similiar items to see what the going rate is - if you dont you are a fool! Pocket Size games are a rare exception and i wouldnt expect anyone to know about them appart from actual collectors. If you don't get that your very differently looking mario bros box is worth more than the standard box then you are a fool in my book. Simple as that. You could (and probably should) have googled for 'game & watch' and 'mario bros' and google would have helped you out in a split second. Come on ... What did rob do? Look at finished mario bros auctions? Didn't he think: "hey, those boxes don't look like my box at all?" Pocketsizes and ordinary boxes are incomparable and everybody can see that. A seller should at least investigate some more because of the noticeable differences. It could be worth less or more but certainly not the same as the differences are so prominent and obvious. I think you are forgetting you have a lot of knowledge on game and Watches but most people in this world dont, obviously they are worth more than £4.99 and that can be checked in a second, but just cos a box has a different artwork it should be worth hunderds of dollars? what's the likely hood of that?, just for not realizing that does not make him a fool, maybe he should have researched more but i dont think anyone is a fool just because they dont immediately get the pocketsize thing Im starting to believe its this forum that is hyping up Pocketsizes to the max, without it they would not be treated like the 8th wonder of the world
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Post by theblackwizard on Feb 20, 2006 1:33:57 GMT 2
Im starting to believe its this forum that is hyping up Pocketsizes to the max, without it they would not be treated like the 8th wonder of the world Hallelujah!!!! :yes: Someone's seen the light!!!!!! Damian.
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Post by swedengame on Feb 20, 2006 1:41:38 GMT 2
The more you guys write about this matter, the more I have to agree with Aris ... You really are very biased. Exact same things are 'wicked' today and 'cool' tomorrow. I can't agree on that. It's either THIS or THAT. Make up your mind. And I am not addressing you especially Ulf. It's just that you were the one that replied to my post. sAner Thats OK Pieter, im not feeling attacked! :cool: But still I don't agree with you on this. The seller of the 4.99 auctions got what he asked for. And if he wouldn't have been so d**n lazy he could have got more.. Just a simple search had done the trick. So I don't feel sorry for him. On the other hand, IF somone made him sell for those prices it would have been another matter. And my mind is always made up. :smile: Im starting to believe its this forum that is hyping up Pocketsizes to the max, without it they would not be treated like the 8th wonder of the world Hehe, you don't think so? :smooch:
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Post by gameboy on Feb 20, 2006 1:48:24 GMT 2
Im starting to believe its this forum that is hyping up Pocketsizes to the max, without it they would not be treated like the 8th wonder of the world Hallelujah!!!! Someone's seen the light!!!!!! Damian. Ok ok so its obvious really, hey i've only been here a short while!
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Post by Aris on Feb 20, 2006 7:44:55 GMT 2
Well Aris, I reckon the forum would have reacted by (first) accusing the lucky BIN-ner of underhand tactics to get a rare item cheaply, and then (when the truth bubbled to the surface) saying "Lucky bastard, but it still doesn't alter the fact that we didn't have a chance to bid" That's what "they" would have said... Or they might just have said "served XXXXX right" I think a lot of the anger that has flown around over this topic is more to do with the incredibly low offer you originally made. I mean $40 - that's just mean! If you'd offered (for the sake of argument) $150 or more, then people wouldn't have got quite so uppity.. (but this is just my opinion) Oh, so you're saying there wouldn't have been an "inform the seller at will" e-mail? And the three wise men wouldn't have contacted the seller with links to what the most recent auction of the same item fetched?? Of course there woudn't have been, only I would attract such attention! Jon, there are a lot of items that 'we all don't get a chance to bid on'. For example, hidden auctions, why don't you all make a fuss about them? After all, you all don't get a chance to bid on those. And if you were all really that concerned about making everything fair, so that we were all bidding from a level playing field, why don't we just have a thread in this forum where we can post all worthy G&W auctions? I remember getting shafted when I pointed out a PS Popeye in the Rare items thread. People were pissed that I revealed this auction since many felt it was hidden, and they didn't want others to find out about it. Oh, wait a minute, that doesn't sound fair at all! Not everyone will have a chance to bid on it! Hmmm..... it seems like this 'not fair' reasoning has its conditions eh? What about auctions where the item is listed with a BIN to begin with? They seem to be accepted by the complaining bunch here, even though the first one to spot it will win it, and again, not everyone will have a fair chance to bid. Why would you all not react the same then? I mean, to make everything fair, shouldn't the seller be informed that their BIN price is too low? Shouldn't the winner of such an auction get a mouthful from the same bunch, and be chastised for not contacting the seller first, and pleading with them to remove the BIN, so the auction can be won fairly? And thank you very much for adding that final statement to your post, b/c, that, is the real issue here! You guys aren't mad that I won a game via BIN. You're also not mad that by winning that game via BIN, collectors will not be able to complete their collections. No, the reason you're mad is b/c I won a PS version of a game for an unheard of price! And b/c you all paid hundreds of dollars more for yours, in order to save face, you all reacted the way you did. The part that I can't stop laughing about is how the majority of you try to rationalize that what I did was somehow wrong. I've been accused of 'tricking' the seller, 'duping' the seller' winning an auction via unfair means, preventing collectors from being able to complete their collections, etc.... Guys, get real! There is nothing wrong with winning an auction via BIN no matter what the price is, or what the item is! It is the seller's responsibility to know the value of the item they are selling, and NOT the buyer's responsibility to inform them of the value of their item. If there's anyone in this forum who actually informs the seller of the value of their item before bidding on it, I would like to know who you are. That way, I can reunite you with your long, lost sibling, Pinocchio! Here's a scenario: Paul is having a garage sale (or boot sale, whatever you English call it) and he's selling some Maxim magazines. I happen to be in the UK during this time, and check out his mags. I notice he has the issue with Christina Aguilera on the front cover, and it's the rare cover pic, that can be worth more than 30 quid. I offer him 1 quid for it, but it's in mint condition, in plastic and boarded, so he says he wont let it go for less than 3 quid. I accept and walk away with my magazine. In Rob's eye's, I've duped Paul, in almost everyone else's eyes (in this forum), I've somehow tricked Paul. But the fact is, I made an offer, he knew what he wanted for it, and counter-offered. I accepted it. That's what's called negotiating a deal, and no, I don't need to tell him what the mag is worth, only a fool would! And, what if the scenario was a fleamarket in Greece, and I notice Mike is haggling with some older folks who are selling a bunch of mint G&Ws. He just finishes getting them to agree to sell him all 5 games to him, for 50 Euros. Just as they're about to pass him the bag of games, I jump in and say (in Greek of course) those games are worth about 20 times what he has offered you for them. Don't complete the deal, and put them on ebay instead. I'm sure Mike would be very happy that he didn't get these games, and that the games would actually be sold fairly via ebay rather than unfairly, where he had an opportunity that no one else had. What would the real reaction be from most people in this forum in this scenario? Probably something like: Hey buddy, why don't you mind your own God-d**n f*cking business! Ebay is just a venue people use to sell items. Items can be sold over a variety of durations, or they can be sold instantly. This is something that is decided by the seller. You or I can not make that decision for them. They are under no obligation to accept a BIN offer, nor are they under any obligation to let the auction run freely, so all potential bidders have a fair chance. This is something you all need to understand, and it would appear that only a few of you, namely sAner, actually do understand this. In Rob's case, he was content to get $60 for his game. He obtained it for $2.95, and was going to make more than $50 profit. But, as we all know, 'the love of money is the root of all evil', and, as soon as he found out he could get more than 5 times the price he made a deal with me on, his sales agreement ethics went out the window, and tried to justify his greed by claiming he was duped, and accused me of being an immoral/unethical bidder because I didn't tell him how much the game he was selling was worth. So, somehow, I was responsible for his lack of knowledge. Yup, makes all the sense in the world doesn't it? Aris out PS Hey Paul, beat that! PSS sAner, thanks again for your common-sense point of views! Not something I expected from an attorney!
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Post by sAner on Feb 20, 2006 9:00:19 GMT 2
I think you are forgetting you have a lot of knowledge on game and Watches but most people in this world dont, obviously they are worth more than £4.99 and that can be checked in a second, but just cos a box has a different artwork it should be worth hunderds of dollars? what's the likely hood of that?, just for not realizing that does not make him a fool, maybe he should have researched more but i dont think anyone is a fool just because they dont immediately get the pocketsize thing Im starting to believe its this forum that is hyping up Pocketsizes to the max, without it they would not be treated like the 8th wonder of the world If I would have known nothing about g&w's and would have found a ps mb in my attic, I would have searched e-bay for finished auctions. I would have then thought: "Those boxes don't look like my box at all! Do I have something special here?". I would have used google then and a simple search would have given me the real price. Simple as that. And no, this forum is not hyping the price of ps's. The prices are paid on e-bay and outside e-bay and by collectors around the world, also by collectors who aren't a part of this forum. The prices are real and not hyped. It's what they call "market value". But still I don't agree with you on this. The seller of the 4.99 auctions got what he asked for. I agree with you! That's my whole point! The lifeboat seller got what he asked for, but so did rob catron! Don't you get it? The lifeboat seller thought 4.99 was a fair price because he didn't investigate; fair enough. Rob thought 60 USD was a fair price for his ps mb because he didn't investigate; fair enough. A Lifeboat far under the marketprice and a ps mb far under the marketprice because both sellers were stupid enough not to investigate further than there noses were long; exactly the same. Now let me tell you why I think you guys treat these auctions differenly. Because you can't give a rat's ass about someone who picks up a lifeboat for 4,99 and because you are gutted that someone wins a ps game for less than a 100 dollars. You just can't stand it. Admit that and then we're finished. On the other hand, IF somone made him sell for those prices it would have been another matter. Who MADE rob into selling his ps mb? Can you explain that to me? As far as I know Aris made him an offer of 40 USD, rob asked 60 and Aris agreed. Did Aris put a knife to his throat? Did Aris put a gun to his head? Don't think so. Rob could have said "no", right? So what are you talking about? PSS sAner, thanks again for your common-sense point of views! Not something I expected from an attorney! Should I go back to law school then?? ;D sAner
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Post by swedengame on Feb 20, 2006 9:54:51 GMT 2
Now let me tell you why I think you guys treat these auctions differenly. Because you can't give a rat's ass about someone who picks up a lifeboat for 4,99 and because you are gutted that someone wins a ps game for less than a 100 dollars. You just can't stand it. Admit that and then we're finished. Hehe, I was more gutted about the lifeboat box. That was more of a loss for me than the ps mb!! I seriously don't care about people winning cheap ps boxes as long as it's done right. (Like Paul's PS DK Jr that he picked up for US$19.99). Who MADE rob into selling his ps mb? Can you explain that to me? As far as I know Aris made him an offer of 40 USD, rob asked 60 and Aris agreed. Did Aris put a knife to his throat? Did Aris put a gun to his head? Don't think so. Rob could have said "no", right? So what are you talking about? Did he sell it then!? Aris did contact the seller about a offer, who contacted the 4,99 seller? NOBODY. That's what I'm talking about,nothing else. Ill get back to my coffee now.
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Post by andycole on Feb 20, 2006 12:11:44 GMT 2
Here's a scenario: Paul is having a garage sale (or boot sale, whatever you English call it) and he's selling some Maxim magazines. I happen to be in the UK during this time, and check out his mags. I notice he has the issue with Christina Aguilera on the front cover, and it's the rare cover pic, that can be worth more than 30 quid. I offer him 1 quid for it, but it's in mint condition, in plastic and boarded, so he says he wont let it go for less than 3 quid. I accept and walk away with my magazine. In Rob's eye's, I've duped Paul, in almost everyone else's eyes (in this forum), I've somehow tricked Paul. But the fact is, I made an offer, he knew what he wanted for it, and counter-offered. I accepted it. That's what's called negotiating a deal, and no, I don't need to tell him what the mag is worth, only a fool would! And, what if the scenario was a fleamarket in Greece, and I notice Mike is haggling with some older folks who are selling a bunch of mint G&Ws. He just finishes getting them to agree to sell him all 5 games to him, for 50 Euros. Just as they're about to pass him the bag of games, I jump in and say (in Greek of course) those games are worth about 20 times what he has offered you for them. Don't complete the deal, and put them on ebay instead. I'm sure Mike would be very happy that he didn't get these games, and that the games would actually be sold fairly via ebay rather than unfairly, where he had an opportunity that no one else had. What would the real reaction be from most people in this forum in this scenario? Probably something like: Hey buddy, why don't you mind your own God-d**n f*cking business! Ebay is just a venue people use to sell items. Items can be sold over a variety of durations, or they can be sold instantly. This is something that is decided by the seller. You or I can not make that decision for them. They are under no obligation to accept a BIN offer, nor are they under any obligation to let the auction run freely, so all potential bidders have a fair chance. This is something you all need to understand, and it would appear that only a few of you, namely sAner, actually do understand this. In Rob's case, he was content to get $60 for his game. He obtained it for $2.95, and was going to make more than $50 profit. But, as we all know, 'the love of money is the root of all evil', and, as soon as he found out he could get more than 5 times the price he made a deal with me on, his sales agreement ethics went out the window, and tried to justify his greed by claiming he was duped, and accused me of being an immoral/unethical bidder because I didn't tell him how much the game he was selling was worth. So, somehow, I was responsible for his lack of knowledge. Yup, makes all the sense in the world doesn't it? Aris out Hey, aris, your posts are long but you're wearing me down, I tend to agree with you 'in principle' here. I think the difference between the garage sale and ebay is that there are rules on ebay and we are supposed to obey them. It's like how we get annoyed at someone who get's in the right-hand lane then turns left at a junction - he's not really hurting anyone but he's broken a rule that we're all trying hard to obey - it's frustrating. THEN AGAIN - You didn't actually break any ebay rules, the auction ended on ebay and they got their fees - dramatically reduced fees, I might add, but that's because their rules allow someone to add a bin price, even if it is lower than the market value. You DID break the 'unwritten rule' on this forum that people shouldn't make private offers for ebay items. That's why people here are annoyed. Going back to a comment I made before: 'If you don't like it, don't visit the forum' - Sometimes I think it would be nice to be in Taki's shoes - pull all these nice ebay items with a private offer and don't give a hoot about what people are saying. Yes, people comment about him and even complain, but the comments are far less aggressive because he's unlikely to read them. Maybe he does read the forum but it's unknown. Anyway, just to make things clear - you make a good argument! Andy. p.s. Back to the thread - That boxed manhole wide - I don't remember seeing blue baby stickers before - are they common?
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Post by sAner on Feb 20, 2006 12:41:23 GMT 2
p.s. Back to the thread - That boxed manhole wide - I don't remember seeing blue baby stickers before - are they common? Yeah, back in my collecting days I had loads of them. I believe they're French. sAner
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Post by MikeDotBe on Feb 20, 2006 13:13:12 GMT 2
p.s. Back to the thread - That boxed manhole wide - I don't remember seeing blue baby stickers before - are they common? Yeah, back in my collecting days I had loads of them. I believe they're French. sAner Yes that's true... they are french.
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Post by rensmits on Feb 20, 2006 13:15:57 GMT 2
" You DID break the 'unwritten rule' on this forum that people shouldn't make private offers for ebay items. "
Oeps, I've broken that rule a lot of times and still do. Didn't even knew it was there!
Oh well, I break the rules everyday in life also.
René
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