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Post by andycole on Mar 9, 2010 16:22:43 GMT 2
The difference between your example, Aris, and BIN'ing a rare game is that you are cheating against people who you possibly consider your friends, or at least people who you speak with every day. With your house you were only beating complete strangers, who were none the wiser anyway. Doing it with auctions that all your 'friends' can see is just asking for trouble. One has to ask oneself how comfortable one is with facing that trouble.
Andy
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Post by sinkbaek on Mar 9, 2010 18:14:59 GMT 2
The difference between your example, Aris, and BIN'ing a rare game is that you are cheating against people who you possibly consider your friends, or at least people who you speak with every day. With your house you were only beating complete strangers, who were none the wiser anyway. Doing it with auctions that all your 'friends' can see is just asking for trouble. One has to ask oneself how comfortable one is with facing that trouble. Andy Sorry Andy but....WHAT?!?!?!? Firstly I don't see why it would be cheating? It's against ebay rules, sure. But I don't see why a set of arbitrary rules, set solely by ebay to increase its earnings, should play any role in the way I (or you...or Aris....or...) view the moral value of a transaction between to individuals? Secondly I'm having some serious problems with your reasoning in regards to cheating.... Are you saying that it's okay to cheat, as long as the one you cheat is a stranger?
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Post by finchiekins on Mar 10, 2010 1:37:07 GMT 2
Game & Watches is cutthroat business!
The real best way to get them is to convince the guy at the flea market his cheap lcd Mario Juggler game isn't worth the $5 he's charging.
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Post by mpanayiotakis on Mar 11, 2010 0:51:12 GMT 2
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Post by andycole on Mar 11, 2010 11:25:19 GMT 2
The point I was trying to make is that in Aris' 'House' example, there are no rules, so it's first come first served. In ebay, there are rules, and there are some that feel morally obliged to follow them, and some that don't. Those that don't are getting an advantage by breaking the rules, and upsetting the others. It's just a plain fact, I'm not saying whether you should or shouldn't do it. Been there, done that.
I see the same thing every day on the roads. There are rules on the roads. As a motorist you are supposed to follow them, although it won't necessarily kill you to break them. But it will annoy other motorists if, for example, you overtake them on the wrong side, or turn left when you've approached a junction from the right hand lane to skip a queue.
Andy.
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Post by sinkbaek on Mar 11, 2010 21:35:04 GMT 2
The point I was trying to make is that in Aris' 'House' example, there are no rules, so it's first come first served. In ebay, there are rules, and there are some that feel morally obliged to follow them, and some that don't. Those that don't are getting an advantage by breaking the rules, and upsetting the others. It's just a plain fact, I'm not saying whether you should or shouldn't do it. Been there, done that. I see the same thing every day on the roads. There are rules on the roads. As a motorist you are supposed to follow them, although it won't necessarily kill you to break them. But it will annoy other motorists if, for example, you overtake them on the wrong side, or turn left when you've approached a junction from the right hand lane to skip a queue. Andy. Sure....but the traffic law isn't morally justifiable as such... It makes absolutely no moral difference if you drive on one side of the road or the other. It's just practical to have a set of rules everyone agrees upon. So I think it's a bit far fetched to raise a set of arbitrary practical rules to something having universal moral value. I think everyone agrees that outside deals isn't outright morally good. I'm just saying that I don't get what it is all the fuzz is about. Basically it's a transaction between to consenting persons....the only ones getting "cheated" in that regard is the shareholders of ebay. In the greater scale of things (and overlooking ebays monetary interests) outside deals is no different from BIN's with the "Make an offer" option on.....and I don't see anyone parading to have that option removed
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Post by bobo74 on May 4, 2010 16:25:57 GMT 2
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Post by mpanayiotakis on May 5, 2010 0:24:28 GMT 2
I don't like auctions (especially like this one) that don't display the front of the box!!
Michael
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