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Post by andycole on Jun 20, 2005 11:28:28 GMT 2
I'm sure there must be some Formula one fans here. (well, perhaps not after yesterday!)
What did you think of that fiasco?
Who's fault was it and what do you think should have been done?
I suppose ultimately it was Michelin's fault for not having good enough tyres but I think the FIA should have done everything they could to make a 'proper' race go ahead. Apparently the teams were prepared to take the necessary penalties if they were able to race on replacement tyres, if they were prepared to do that, why did the FIA not make sure it happened?
I hope that rumours of a breakaway series without Ferrari and Bernie Ecclestone are true.....
Andy.
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Post by MikeDotBe on Jun 20, 2005 12:13:33 GMT 2
I'm a fan... but i have to admit that after that strange decission ... i didn't look at the end of the race...
i think that they (team or michelin or bernie or FIA) should have found a solution...
The teams are not responsible of the quality of the tires... => it's a mistake for me to give penalities to the teams... indeed ... penalties such as additional time or laps wouldn't have change the result... the red would have been first.. (i hate the red)
i think they should have allow michelin to bring new tires to every teams... i think that this rule for "only 4 tires sets" is completely useless...
Mike
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Post by pulse8 on Jun 20, 2005 12:55:32 GMT 2
Excuse my ignorance, but what was the story here...? pulse8
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Post by sAner on Jun 20, 2005 13:01:24 GMT 2
In a nutshell:
Friday Ralf Schumacher crashed and because Fia didn't allow Michelin to race with the tires they wanted to use, all the Michelinteams retreated from the race and Ferarri got it's first win of the season almost without competition. I think Fia with it's strict rules is to blame.
Regards, sAner
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Post by MikeDotBe on Jun 20, 2005 14:46:37 GMT 2
This new rule about the tires is really dumb i think... this last grand prix was not a great ad for Formula one in the US compared to the nascar races... i have been on the daytona ring... there's no comparission...
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Post by devster on Jun 20, 2005 20:54:43 GMT 2
Well it wasn't that Michelin were not allowed to use the tyres that they wanted to, it was a problem with the tyres.
Ralf had a blow out and the Michelin tech heads could not work out what went wrong. They were testing the tyres back at HQ, but no joy, they couldn't fix the problem as they didn't know what it was!!
So...
They had to declare that they could not guarantee the saftey of the tyres and thus the drivers. They did say however that if a chicane could be put in where Ralf had his crash, then the tyres would be ok!!!
The only other option was to use new tyres, but.... you can't change tyres on the weekend of the race, so no tyres and then Ferrari said no to the chicane and the FIA agreed and that was that.
Well I think it goes further back than this. It's a bit of a Bridgestone / Michelin issue.
Ferrari had a problem with their tyres a while back and requested that they be given some leeway or something like that. All the Michelin teams said no so Michael Shumacher had to pull out of the race.
So when this happened, guess what? Ferrari said a big fat no to extra tyres being flown in and any changes being made to the track.
Thing is, everyone knew there was a problem and something should have been done about it!!
They are all muppets!
Berni Ec's said on tv - all the drivers will be racing and he could not see an issue with getting the race run - errrrrr - didn't happen like that did it Berni.
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Post by sAner on Jun 21, 2005 13:04:34 GMT 2
Well it wasn't that Michelin were not allowed to use the tyres that they wanted to, it was a problem with the tyres. Hey Devy Devster! Well, okay ... story was more detailed (but I started with the sentence: "In a nutshell: " ... but in the end it all came down on the fact that Michelin couldn't fly in new tyres and that wasn't allowed. Anyway, what a mess! Regards, sAner
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Post by andycole on Jun 21, 2005 14:04:56 GMT 2
Just to point out to Innis, just 6 cars started the 'race'. The other 14 retired after the formation lap!!
Andy.
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Post by mpanayiotakis on Jun 22, 2005 1:22:40 GMT 2
I think that "tyres" rule is dumb. When I first heard it a year ago, I thought "what a stupid rule, the F1 won't benefit from this one" and this grand prix was proof enough. FIA tried to make the series more competitive but at the same time compromised the safety of the drivers because tyres are the most essential part of any vehicle.
Now I hear that they plan to abolish any electronic assistance in the immediate future. I really don't get it. This isn't the 50s! We are in the year 2005 and all races should be based on current technology not go back to the days when 10 out of 20 cars got smashed!! If they want to impose limitations, they should come up with better ideas!
Michael
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Post by andycole on Jun 22, 2005 9:37:51 GMT 2
You're dead right, Mike. They try to restrict the technology used to try to slow down the cars, and therefore make them safer, which never works, the cars are invariably faster each year, and in fact they've made things more dangerous with the tyre restrictions!
Andy.
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Post by TheJake on Jun 23, 2005 21:24:32 GMT 2
Kimi is the best Too bad that US Grand Prix was a huge fiasco. Luckily there still is more races left that Kimi can reach Alonso's lead. - Pasi the Iceman from Finland
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Post by andycole on Jun 24, 2005 10:02:16 GMT 2
It'll certainly make a more interesting climax to the championship, now we have at least a 3-way fight.
Andy.
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