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Post by mpanayiotakis on Mar 24, 2010 13:50:56 GMT 2
Nintendo has been the leader in implementing innovative technologies in their products since the 70s and their products always bring new ideas and new ways to have fun in the home. Their latest gaming handheld, the successor to DS and DSi, the 3DS, will be presented in this year's E3 and will offer something unique: 3D gaming!
Nintendo haven't disclosed how they will be able to achieve that but according to rumours no glasses will be needed. Instead, the screen will have a thin sheet of lenses in front of the main display panel and that would create the illusion of a 3D image at a particular point in space. The user will be able to see this image if they are viewing the screen from that point.
I've very eager to see this handheld. I know Nintendo will create something worth having once more!!
Michael
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Post by sinkbaek on Mar 24, 2010 20:16:25 GMT 2
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Post by mpanayiotakis on Mar 25, 2010 23:31:58 GMT 2
Good to know! It seems that the new handheld will be released next year.
Anyway, I'll be updating this thread as soon as new information becomes available.
Michael
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Post by sinkbaek on Mar 26, 2010 10:53:00 GMT 2
Hi Mike Yes...good news indeed I read it the same way at first, but it will be released in the fiscal year ending march 2011. So it could very well be released this year - the holiday season seems to be a reasonable guess....would make sense if they tried to eliminate competition by hitting Project Natal head on, when it's released. By the way... Have you heard Sony's response? They don't think 3D is worth pursuing on handhelds at the moment - they don't see 8-9 year olds playing games in 3D ;D Sounds like someone is pissed that they didn't think of it first...
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Post by sinkbaek on Mar 26, 2010 11:08:54 GMT 2
While we're at it.... Here's a demo of a 3D-game on the DSi. It's not "real" 3D but it's still pretty amazing and might give a hint about what we can expect from the 3DS: As far as the roumors go...word on the street is that the 3DS will be using the same trick. Only the camera will track the position of your head, so you don't have to tilt the DS in order to achieve the 3D-effect. It's a pretty simple solution to a complicated problem...but with amazing results - in short: It's got Nintendo-innovativeness (is that a real word??) written all over it
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Post by andycole on Mar 26, 2010 17:02:46 GMT 2
Interesting!
I know a bit about 3d technologies and their different formats as I do some 3d photography. The special lenses on the screens that they are talking about are called lenticular lenses. It would be a similar system to the 'hotographic' stickers you sometimes get in cereal packets, etc , and if you saw them, the tickets for the ill-fated Michael Jackson concerts. The screen would have vertical ridges on it designed to make sure your left eye only saw what was intended for the left eye and the right eye only saw what was intended for the right eye, so seeing 2 different angles would provide a 3d image in your brain. That's not the same system as on that youtube demo, which is just a 2d game with parallax. It's pretty clever how they did it, though, using the position of your head to move the 'camera' and re-draw the screen accordingly. What a great idea!
Andy
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Post by sinkbaek on Mar 26, 2010 17:38:03 GMT 2
Hi Andy Nintendo didn't say anything about special lenses...it's just a rumour going around I'm thinking that the demo from youtube is very good hint at how they're going to bring "3D" to the DS.... As you said, it's not "real" 3D but it sure as heck looks amazing... and with that solution you don't get any of the problems I could imagine you would have with the "lenticular" approach - I'm thinking about viewing angles, screen flare and the obvious problem with having grooves on a touchscreen
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Post by mpanayiotakis on Mar 27, 2010 3:23:25 GMT 2
Wow, that 3d effect does look amazing!! In fact, I'm amazed nobody else thought about it earlier since it's not so difficult to implement.. Nintendo is pioneering the handheld market again!
Sony had a chance to do something innovative with the new releases of the PSP but they failed miserably. I didn't even like their latest design! The UMD was a failure (minidisk anyone?) and they could only hope to release something as fun and as creative as the 3DS! The PSP is amazing to look at, has got some amazing games (some of which aren't possible with the DS) but still, the DS is the only console I fire up from time to time.. And that should tell you a lot about Sony..
Michael
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Post by pheldge on Apr 19, 2010 10:05:52 GMT 2
The drop of physical support on the last PSP is probably having something with its bad sellings, don't you think ?
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Post by mpanayiotakis on Apr 19, 2010 17:06:31 GMT 2
Yes, it didn't do very good but the design was flawed from the beginning.. The PSP didn't offer anything new although powerful (the DS has a touch screen at least), it was very expensive (more expensive than the PS2 actually), it used a proprietary format (UMD) which increased costs of console development, game and movie releases and.. it wasn't very portable! Sony waited too long to release a smaller version of the PSP while Nintendo was selling the ds lite in great numbers! Yes, it has great graphics and was hacked from the beginning but that wasn't enough to increase sales.. Cute and funny always beats power in the world of kids..
Michael
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Post by sinkbaek on Apr 20, 2010 13:21:15 GMT 2
The PSP is just another proof that Sony can't "innovate" themselves out of a wet paper bag... Don't get me wrong, I like their products and if the PSP wasn't so expensive I'd definitely get one. But they're just too focused on specs instead of gameplay and innovation... It's the same thing with the PS3. It had motion control capabilities out of the box - but it's only now* they've gotten around to do something with it.... Which they, by the way, have chosen to do by shamelessly ripping off Nintendo's concept It's the same thing with the PSP. It came with a web-browser built in - which is a cool feature the DS didn't have. Furthermore they launched the Playstation Store shortly after the PSP was put on the market (a year or so?)...but it's only now, with the PSP Go that they've begun to seriously integrate the two. Plus, the Remote Play feature was a cool concept that could've really made the console stand out....they just didn't do anything with it... They just put it out there and expected people to buy it on specs alone... Nintendo on the other hand sat down and looked at what would make a cool console to play games on...not concerned with being on the cutting edge of technology - just using what was already "out there" to make something entertaining to use**.... And it seems they've done it again with the 3DS * After having their asses handed to them in regards of sales for 4 years by Nintendo ** Why that strategy isn't obvious for people in the home entertainment industry the gods only knows
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Post by pheldge on Apr 21, 2010 0:14:30 GMT 2
I don't think the PSP was designed for "kids". For me, the target was teenagers and young adults (20-25).
And talking about that, I recently have been able to get my hands on a PS3 for free. The lens was out, so I changed it and now everything works fine. But I still got a problem : I don't know which game could suit me, and my two kids. Most PS3 games are rated 16 or 18. Most are violent, shmups, war games... The few games rated for children are shits like Sing Star, RB, GH... If my kids wanna make music, I've got real instruments at home ;D
So now I've got a nice 40Go fat PS3 (for 65€, that's correct), but no will to play with it. The only interesting point I've found is that it's been able to automatically "see" my network disk and connect to it. So now I can browse the disk through my PS3 and use the medias on the tv. But I'd still like to know how the PS3 can access the disk, as normally there's a login and a password (which I have to enter when I access the disk from any of my computers). Sony's stronger than you...!
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Post by sinkbaek on Apr 21, 2010 12:05:19 GMT 2
Hi Pheldge You should check out the Ratchet & Clank series for the Playstation... It's a pretty straight forward platformer but the gameplay is flawless and the the story/humor is really well put together... It's one of those rare games that is fun to play for both children and adults - my dad (64) is a huge Ratchet & Clank fan...and so is my nephew (10) You should also check the game Little Big Planet out - also a great game with a broad appeal age-wise. P.S. It sounds wierd that your PS3 is able to go around your password-protection and read files on your disk.... Are you sure you haven't enabled file-sharing so you just have to be on the same network as the disk to access it? P.P.S. You can change the language settings in Ratchet & Clank so all the dialogue is in your language - cut-scenes and in-game dialogue...the whole she-bang P.P.P.S. And half the experience of Ratchet & Clank is the dialogue
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Post by pheldge on Apr 21, 2010 15:49:14 GMT 2
Hi Sinkbaek, Thanks for your opinion. Some people had already told me about LBP, so now I think I'll try to find it second hand, because - and that's to me another neg point to the PS3 - I find new games REALLY expensive. I cannot figure to put 70€ for a game... I'll also try to have a look at R&C, if I find one. Regarding the "access violation" from the console, as I've said my network disk is protected. All my other computers need to log (and I never use the "remind password" feature ;D). And there it goes on each of my systems (XP, Vista, 7, Linux, MacOSX). I should have the manual of the PS3 soon, so maybe there will be some info about that in it. I was also planning to ask the question on another board, which I know is frequented by next-gen specialists .
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Post by sinkbaek on Apr 21, 2010 16:29:11 GMT 2
Hi pheldge €70 for a new game? Where are you buying your games??? On Amazon the popular new games goes for around €40-50....and the price is usually lowered to €20-30 quite fast.... For instance I bought LBP for about €20 not more than a month after it was released... You have to add P&P and your local VAT maybe higher than it is in the UK, but if you check the internet for cheap games you don't have to pay €70 for a new game Ad. the "access violation" it sure does sound weird... The PS3 shouldn't be able to do it Which is why I thought you might have enabled network sharing or something on the disk, and then forgot about it Another explanation could be that you're running Vuze or something while you're using your PS3 and it gets access that way - as I remember Vuze connects automatically with the PS3 and if Vuze (or a similar application) has access to the files, the PS3 might get to them in that round-about way.... In other words, maybe your PS3 is getting access through a program (that has access-rights to your network disk) running some other place on your network. What exactly does it say in the menu? Just the name of your network disk? ....sure is weird... Please let me know if you find the answer on the other forum P.S. You should really give R&C a shot... IMO it's the better game of the two... LBP surely is the most innovative... But R&C is just so well put together that it makes up for whatever it might lack in inventiveness.... And as I said the story and characters are well worth the price of the game
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