|
Post by ash888 on Dec 12, 2009 19:58:18 GMT 2
Hi Mike, I seem to have two variations of 1st edition Ball, but your FAQ only has one. Is this worth adding to the FAQ? Photo attached for reference. Also, the instruction manual for both 1st edition Ball games shows a black Vermin, with the word "black" written next to it. I know the black Vermin legend has been discussed here before, but I'm not sure if you guys knew it was in the Ball manual. Ash Attachments:
|
|
|
Post by mpanayiotakis on Dec 12, 2009 22:20:23 GMT 2
I see what you mean but besides the very subtle differences are there any significant ones? I think I've seen the black vermin in the instructions before as I've used to own a 1st edition ball and it makes sense in a way since the exterminator games which were released very early in the 80s were black.. I've seen a black vermin before, I think Jon owns it or something but I'm not convinced it's genuine..
Btw, the room for attachments is very limited so it's best if you uploaded these images elsewhere and linked to them from here. I left the attachments open for special occasions and images can be easily uploaded elsewhere.. Sorry for this..
Michael
|
|
|
Post by ash888 on Dec 13, 2009 6:38:54 GMT 2
I see what you mean but besides the very subtle differences are there any significant ones? I think I've seen the black vermin in the instructions before as I've used to own a 1st edition ball and it makes sense in a way since the exterminator games which were released very early in the 80s were black.. I've seen a black vermin before, I think Jon owns it or something but I'm not convinced it's genuine.. Btw, the room for attachments is very limited so it's best if you uploaded these images elsewhere and linked to them from here. I left the attachments open for special occasions and images can be easily uploaded elsewhere.. Sorry for this.. Michael Sorry about the pics. I've seen a lot of much larger pics being posted on this site. Are people linking to them from another site, and they automatically show up in this forum? As for the differences, the only ones I can see are: 1st Ball A (top): Has rounded corners on the "BALL" title frame, has smaller text on the sides. Box serial: 0000965 Game serial: 00009656 1st Ball B (bottom): Has sharp corners on the "BALL" title frame, has larger text on the sides. Box serial: 0072817 Game serial: 00728162 The differences are slight, but they are differences nonetheless, and this is more variation than I can see between some of the other boxes on the FAQ sheet. Ash
|
|
|
Post by gawcol on Dec 13, 2009 12:18:28 GMT 2
Nice found! This is indeed different version,
Not all is found out yet about g&w,
Thanks for sharing this information,
Greets, David
|
|
|
Post by mpanayiotakis on Dec 13, 2009 13:56:31 GMT 2
Ok, let me clarify something. When we talk about editions we talk about major ones. Editions that differ both chronologically and design-wise. Some of them can be identified by the text and graphics on the box some others can be identified by other means (battery packets, paperwork even foams). None of the editions mentioned in the faq have such subtle differences as the designs above. These designs were part of Nintendo's wip ball box design probably.
In my faq I mention different editions not slight variations to box designs. This is a nice find but please don't compare it to the information about the different editions in my faq. And I'm really interested to know if there are any other differences between the two boxes, even the contents..
Btw, you can use photobucket.com to upload your photos and link to them from here using the IMG tag. Let me know if you face any difficulties!
Michael
|
|
|
Post by ash888 on Dec 13, 2009 15:11:56 GMT 2
Thanks for the comment, David.
Michael, what's a "wip ball box"?
I'm wondering if the lower-numbered Ball games were packaged in the rounded-frame, small-text box, and some of the later 1st editions were packaged in the box with the evolved-frame, larger-text box. Of course this is all speculation. If the differences are too insignificant for your FAQs, that's perfectly fine. Just asking a question.
|
|
|
Post by ash888 on Dec 13, 2009 19:40:39 GMT 2
I found another difference between the two Ball games thanks to your FAQ information.
1st Ball A (Box serial: 0000965 Game serial: 00009656) doesn't have "AC-01" on the back, while 1st Ball B (Box serial: 0072817 Game serial: 00728162) does have "AC-01" on the back.
- Ash
|
|
|
Post by mpanayiotakis on Dec 13, 2009 22:34:35 GMT 2
Interesting. We've seen a few ball games without a serial number on the back. I guess this is the box that goes with them! I'm not sure it justifies a new edition to be added, what do other people think? WIP means work in progress.. Michael
|
|
|
Post by Aris on Dec 14, 2009 17:09:11 GMT 2
Interesting. We've seen a few ball games without a serial number on the back. I guess this is the box that goes with them! I'm not sure it justifies a new edition to be added, what do other people think? WIP means work in progress.. Michael Hey Mike, I think you meant without a "MODEL NUMBER" on the back. Interesting find Ash! At first, based on the round corners, I too didn't think it was enough to warrant an update as a new edition, but, if this rounded corner box did indeed house Ball games that were "model-less" in terms of what was stamped on the back of the game (like the one that Shane won a few months back with serial 00000130) Then, I think it should definitely be added to the FAQ. To me, not having a model number stamped on the back of the game is a much more significant change then the colour of battery packaging and/or extra leaflets. I'm not that familiar with the WIP stage, but, perhaps this rounded corner edition is truly the 1st edition box, then, what we have always referred to as a 1st edition box, is actually a 2nd edition box, and what is currently known as a 2nd edition box, is really a 3rd edition box!!! With this being the very first G&W game produced, providing proof for this argument will be extremely difficult. Just finding such an early edition box in the first place is quite an accomplishment! Keep us posted on any new findings Ash! I think the more we can find out about this box and its contents, the more likely it will be added to Mike's FAQ. AC PS BTW Mike, I like the new Christmas theme on the forum!
|
|
|
Post by ash888 on Dec 15, 2009 1:55:35 GMT 2
Yeah, I guess we'll have to find several more boxes like this housing games without a model number to confirm it. Does anyone else out there have one?
Update: This one seems to kill the theory. eBay Item#: 170388807433
It's in a rounded-frame Ball box but doesn't start with 00003 or 00009 as shown in the FAQ. Unfortunately I can't see if the model number is missing or not though.
It would be nice to hear from other 1st edition Ball owners. Check your Balls people! ;D
|
|
|
Post by andycole on Dec 15, 2009 13:17:22 GMT 2
Ash, I think that your un-stamped ball is a significant discovery, especially as you can prive that the box is the original one. Indeed, it would seem that this variation preceded what we have known to be the 'first edition'. I think it is significant enough to be mentioned on the FAQ.
Mike, I'm sure you didn't mean it that way, but your second response to Ash seemed rather rude. In a kind of "don't question the FAQ" kind of way.
Andy
|
|
|
Post by mpanayiotakis on Dec 15, 2009 17:18:07 GMT 2
Hey Mike, I think you meant without a "MODEL NUMBER" on the back. Yeah, exactly! As long as it's proven that this box came with the model-less Ball games I think we should consider it as an early edition although I'm sure only a few of them were made and this was probably a transition phase.. Thanks for the comment about the theme Aris, I hope the snow script doesn't slow down the browser a lot. From what I've seen it has somewhat of a performance impact on Opera but let me know about other browsers as well.. Andy, I wasn't being rude intentionally of course, we're only discussing in here and I've always accepted new information for my faq as long as it's substantiated. After all, the editions information comes from Torsten, not me. The argument here was about editions but slight differences in box design doesn't warrant a new edition imho and Ash implied that some of the editions mentioned in the faq are less trivial than that which isn't true and I explained why. That's all. I have no quarrel with anyone. On the contrary! I will be starting updating the faq come new year and I hope I'll have a new version ready in a couple of months because we've found out a lot of stuff the past few years! So keep it coming!! Michael
|
|
|
Post by Aris on Dec 15, 2009 17:29:54 GMT 2
Hey man, it wasn't me that said your response was rude. It was the other guy with the initials AC.... AC from Canada ;D PS But you did seem a bit grumpy about it.... ;D
|
|
|
Post by mpanayiotakis on Dec 15, 2009 19:24:04 GMT 2
Hrmph!
;D
Michael
|
|