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Post by theblackwizard on Oct 25, 2005 16:07:51 GMT 2
Hi Wilson . Very much so. Are you able to return the DVD burner at all? The 1653S is an only OK burner at best. The 167T is a very good DVD-ROM, although reading dual layers is locked to 8x without firmware change. As per standards, if you are going to change firmwares on ANY Litey, back-up the EEPROM & ORIGINAL FIRMWARE!!! I wish I had of seen the thread earlier. Building PCs is one of the things I do . Cheers, Damian.
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Post by MikeDotBe on Oct 25, 2005 17:29:11 GMT 2
Just a simple question... what is the price of the liteon?
i see tha Nec 3540 is priced 50$ i find that cheap and nec dvd writers are quite good...
Mike
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Post by mookiehk on Oct 26, 2005 3:01:12 GMT 2
Damien, Uh...i havent tried writing on the DVD RW yet since i have only got it set up but will be sure to keep in mind what you said. However, I am not too sure what you mean. Mike, I am not sure the individual cost of the liteon but the total cost is HK$4600, so you can have a guess... Some prices are actually shown on www.hkgolden.combut pls note that these are suggested retail...and probably 10-20% more than market price. Wilson
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Post by mookiehk on Oct 27, 2005 8:48:53 GMT 2
Damian,
Could you explain something about over clocking.
I installed my drivers on my mother board and one of the programs allows me to do overclocking.
I assume that this is pushing the CPU beyong its capabilities but is that risky?
Wilson
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Post by theblackwizard on Oct 27, 2005 11:17:57 GMT 2
Hello Wilson . Yes, overclocking is increasing past 100% on a CPU but NOT recommended with just a stock fan. Some good case fans never go astray either. It can also be done to RAM & GPU (Graphics card) but DOES require extra power generally to be supplied to the overclocked part. All overclocking should be done through BIOS & NOT a windows application. Overclocking does have its obvious pros & cons : Pro - increased CPU etc speed Con - increased heat generated from overclocking. Long & short of it Wilson, if you are not quite sure on how to overclock, DON'T!!! Cheers, Damian .
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Post by mpanayiotakis on Oct 27, 2005 18:23:53 GMT 2
Wilson, overclocking isn't a complicated procedure and there are some gains but not by much so it isn't really recommended. Obviously you don't know much about computers right now (and I guess that's about to change :smile: ) so for the time being don't mess with things you know nothing about. It's best if you go one step at a time.. :smile:
Michael
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Post by Br3nd4N on Oct 28, 2005 0:54:19 GMT 2
Why overclock? hardware is cheap, hardware is fast...
All you end up with is a hot, unstable, potentially stuffed computer.
-B
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Post by theblackwizard on Oct 28, 2005 2:41:19 GMT 2
Why overclock? hardware is cheap, hardware is fast... All you end up with is a hot, unstable, potentially stuffed computer. -B Hi B. Your statement is VERY TRUE, if you don't know what you are doing, which is why I said to Wilson, that if he was unsure or hadn't overclocked before, he probably shoudn't start now. I have had an ATHLON XP (Barton) 2500@3200 & 1GB of Kingston DDR400@400MHz for just over 18 months (my PC is basically on 24/7) running on a crappy basic Coolermaster XDream heatsink & 4 case fans, although admittedly the die face of the heatsink is almost twice the size, allowing for far greater heat dissapation but I have also used top quality thermal paste & my PC is VERY, VERY STABLE & generally runs at around 43 degrees, well within torerable limits. So at the time a 2500+ cost me approx AUD$150, whereas the 3200 was around the AUD$300+. Gee, I wonder what the better option is...for me....given that I know what I am doing . I have been considering upgrading my CPU, which given new CPU standards etc, would mean a new MOBO also, so at least AUD$300 for something half decent. Instead, I upgraded my HDDs from IDE(UDMA 5) on RAID 0, to a 250 GB SATA HDD (8MB, 1.5GB/sec) which cost me AUD$160 which has natuarally given me quite a large speed increase of my PC in general, both application & transfer based. So the solution isn't always to just go & get a new PC. So, why overclock, I think the above speaks for itself ;D. Cheers, Damian .
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Post by Br3nd4N on Oct 28, 2005 3:04:58 GMT 2
yes, but one could also say that if you purchased the 3000+ first, you would not have to worry about the better heat sink etc, or you would not have to update sooner as you could overclock that, lol, say to a 3500+
It's all a no win situation, lol.
I used to overclock celeron 300's to 500, but that was quite a while ago, I remember buying a dual cpu board and running 2 overclocked celerons on it... ahh those were the days, I just don't bother now days, hardware runs so fast and is so far ahead of the software there is just no need...
infact I can't tell the general speed difference between my 2500+ and my P4 2.8 for general windows usage....
Yer, one of the biggest things you can do to increase speed, is more RAM. Anyone running 256mb of RAM on XP with all the latest updates, and SP2 + basics like SAV 10 etc would be running at almost 1/2 the speed of the same system with 512mb in my experience.
-B
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Post by mookiehk on Oct 28, 2005 3:16:22 GMT 2
Why overclock? hardware is cheap, hardware is fast... All you end up with is a hot, unstable, potentially stuffed computer. -B \, The reason I asked about overclocking is because on my Asus P5DL5 motherboard, it comes with some program that allows overclocking. I will take a photo of it and post it here to show you later. I was just curious....and anyway, we can all do with an even faster computer.... Wilson
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Post by theblackwizard on Oct 28, 2005 3:56:29 GMT 2
@ B . B, I payed AUD$29 for the better heatsink, so it hardly cost me "the earth". Of course you won't see any real speed difference with using just windows. Try an intensive CPU application (say re-authoring or Photoshop CS2) or multitask & see wo comes out on top. Your 2500+ should beat the Celeron. Any PC with only 256MB of RAM will be slow, regardless, because Windows XP(without SP2) utilises approx 160MB-180MB of RAM at startup, so not leaving much to play with for apps, etc. Even 512MB is not enough if you want to multitask at a decent rate. @ Wilson . I understand that you have a program from your MOBO driver disk but I DON'T recommend that you overclock through Windows XP. If the system becomes unstable through you overclocking with an application, Windows may not boot (unless you boot through Safe Mode) due to the system instability (good old BSOD). That is why you should ALWAYS overclock through BIOS, that way, if you push the PC too far, you can reset CMOS on you MOBO & return to manufacturer defaults. Cheers, Damian .
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Post by mpanayiotakis on Oct 28, 2005 23:31:04 GMT 2
Wilson, nowadays, a faster computer is only good for games but even that need is now surpassed by the capabilities of the graphics card. A high-end graphics card will do great wonders for the games but I can't say the same for a faster cpu. So, in my mind, there's no need to try overclocking right now.
Michael
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