fuzgi
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Post by fuzgi on Jan 26, 2004 2:18:40 GMT 2
The title say: New in box! I think that is clear. The game is new and it's in box. It doesn't say New in new box. That's not the same. Anyway, I don't know the seller, but I think you shouldn't care about such things.
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Post by sAner on Jan 26, 2004 9:32:25 GMT 2
I have to agree with Marcel here. You seem to mistake "New (game) in (a) box" with "New (game) in new box". Only the latter has a new box. The first one is just a new game which can even come with a VERY worn box. Or am I missing something?
sAner
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Post by life_is_disease on Jan 26, 2004 13:20:37 GMT 2
I have to agree partially with the latter two posts here to an extent,but I don't think the seller is wholey genuine.I mean does he really expect me to believe that this game is BRAND NEW and only ever been powered up / had batteries in it once just to make sure that it works prior to this auction? If so,I'd be curious to know his explanation as to why this is so.Where did the NEW box go? Also why has the old / used Popeye that once lived in this box now been seemingly replaced? - That doesn't make a great deal of sense to me! And the most important question- What the hell are you talking about!? I do think Jon has misread this to an extent- but I don't think he's innacurate of smelling BULL SH*T!
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Post by mpanayiotakis on Jan 26, 2004 13:26:58 GMT 2
In my opinion new in box means that this is a new item (with the same contents as originally sold) otherwise a "mint in box" description would have sufficed. Anyway, even in the case that someone thinks that new in box has to do only with the game itself, the description "new" is not appropriate as this is hardly new as you can understand.
Michael
P.S. For me, the difference between NIB and NINB is the condition of the box, nothing else.
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Post by jonwiththewind on Jan 26, 2004 17:32:09 GMT 2
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Post by jonwiththewind on Jan 27, 2004 21:50:12 GMT 2
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Post by theretrodogg on Jan 28, 2004 2:26:58 GMT 2
Hello all, I would say new is if it just came out of the factory box that was in a warehouse ( old stock ) if the game has been around for a while in a collection then no matter how new looking it is its not new ITS SECOND HAND. Mint in box, AS new in box, AS new in AS new box is all we can say. the Micro`s on e-bay are new out of factory pack so thats o.k. I assume Rudewheels items are new Example : if you buy a new car and dont use it for 2 years its no longer new. if you buy it from a showroom after the same period it is still new. shops sell new items not collectors, I must say I have listed DK 3 as new but I may change that now ;D
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Post by QJ on Jan 28, 2004 19:41:04 GMT 2
When it comes to collectables "New" in my opinion is something that has not been used, irrespective if it has come from a retail shop or sitting on a collector's shelf for 20 years.
With regards to retrodogg's example of a car, then he is correct since you would need to drive the car away from the showroom (causing wear & tear) thus it could never be new. I think possibly the only way you could keep a car 'new' is to have never driven it yourself and have the car delivered to it's storage place on a lorry. Technically all cars would have been driven at some time after production to test them - in my view this testing does not have any effect on the term new.
I prefer the term "new old store stock" which in my view gives a clearer clarity. I regard any item in this condition to be new (as in 'never used') which has been in storage for some time.
QJ
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Post by theretrodogg on Jan 29, 2004 0:06:00 GMT 2
if its in a collectors hand its second hand not new in G/W land NEW is unused yes but you have to admit no matter what a cars condition you could never call it new if it had a 2 year old number plate on it. So new old stock that has been owed by a collector "thats more like it"
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Post by shankly on Jan 30, 2004 14:29:42 GMT 2
I have to agree with QJ. Retrodog, your logic regarding this topic of discussion seems a little blurred in my opnion.
Shankly.
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Post by mpanayiotakis on Jan 30, 2004 18:51:51 GMT 2
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Post by theretrodogg on Jan 31, 2004 0:57:47 GMT 2
Still brured oh my a little more from me my logic is when a item gets brought by a collector its then second hand. I am not a collector just by buying and selling I have made up my 28 games. I will sell any if the price is right BUT there is not many I would call new as I am the third owner thats 3rd hand. I know its hard for you collectors and you like to call you games new but there not. NEW is out of a shop or like them new micro`s kicking around ( NEW OUT OF FACTORY BOX ) never payed only opened once ( NOT EVERY TIME YOUR FRIEND COMES OR YOU WANT TO PLAY IT OR PHOTO IT FOR YOUR WEB SITE ) I have brought many new NOT items from e-bay but now I know the collectors names NEVER AGAIN. New in box that looks very warn is NOT NEW its mint in box. dont know about you lot but I like to know what I buy as I will be reselling it very soon after. I have brought NEW games that have scratches this is why I feel so strong about this. NOW FOR MORE EXAMPLES : (atari games but still the same thing) FIRST AUCTION NEW never used opened once new out of factory box = cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3074164886&category=3528&rd=1SECOND AUCTION MINT opened and maybe used once but that means its not new even though they are both mint = (the little mark on box is the wrap thats still on this used game) cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3074393109&category=3528&rd=1?? now there`s a difference there so why not G/W`s ?? no more let us start reporting again like we should be doing
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Post by shankly on Jan 31, 2004 4:47:29 GMT 2
Well yes, Tod Brownings knows all too well that his rain shower is not new but he uses the 'MIB' as a sales technique to attract more eyes. Each to his own....
I disagree Retrodogs statement on how collector cannot be the owner of a new game simply because he is a 'collector'. You would have to be a fly on the wall in each and every game & watch collectors home to back up this theory.
I am a collector and have on occasion (not everytime) bought several different titles of games, factory fresh from the store shelf and they have gone from the store shelf directly into a chest in my home. The status of the games MIB condition does not change simply because they have placed in my hands.
Your assumption that they get pulled out for display everytime Tom, thingy, and Harry walk in the room is exactly that....... just an assumption. Not a truth.
Shankly
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Post by theretrodogg on Jan 31, 2004 5:30:58 GMT 2
hello shalky, I know why its done but thats not why this thread is running, its more why do people do it and to highlight them auctions. It is each to his own you are right there. My own is being very honest
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Post by QJ on Jan 31, 2004 13:57:19 GMT 2
I think Jon made a good point with his recent auctions by saying that he'll let the photos do the talking!
When I purchased my loose FT Donkey Kong the auction description said the item was "c10" and the photo clearly showed scratches on the metal lid!!!
There are some sellers who will always "talk up" their descriptions to make it sound better - it's just another sales ploy, I guess no real difference from the tactic used by estate agents trying to sell property. Thankfully most auctions have photos so it's pretty easy to spot if a game is actually meant to be NMIB/MIB rather than NIB.
QJ
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