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Post by hobbymodel on May 3, 2008 17:53:16 GMT 2
hi, i am hobbymodel , the first i am sorry for this problem , and i am not happy when i hear someone who bought my product and resell without the real description. 1)i will print " this box is not an official Nintendo Product " on the back of the box(included manual too) 2)i will compare during my box with original , it is not same and easy to notice. and i will post on my website. 3)for the egg , the serial number is not fake. , (all games came from the department store that they were bought from Japan and resell in Thailand) i would like to ask you , why 24xxxxxx is fake !!!, and 23xxxxxx is not fage!!! where does your information come from? and fake the serial number for what? if you have any question , please ask me and sorry again if my english is not good. Wichet
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Post by Aris on May 3, 2008 20:16:37 GMT 2
Hello Wichet, First of all, I would like to commend you on visiting this forum (the equivalent of entering a lion's den...) and being concerned enough to want to explain your side of the story. A lot of people wouldn't care, or couldn't be bothered, so, thanks for posting the msg above. Regarding the products that you manufacture and sell, I think putting the statement "this is not an original Nintendo product" is a good start, and those statements should be clearly shown in the pictures of your auctions. This not only protects yourself from legal issues with Nintendo, but, it prevents others, who have purchased your product(s), from re-selling them as "original" items, and then, pleading ignorance if/when challenged by a subsequent disgruntled buyer. One problem I forsee with this, is that by printing this statement only on the back of the box and manual, people who buy from you, can re-sell your product as "original" by not showing pictures of the back of the box and manual..... I realize you can't control what other people do, but like I said, printing the statement on your products is a good start, and perhaps having it on the front as well would be best. Regarding the Egg games, we have noticed that you sold Egg games with sequential serial numbers (24555762 & 24555763) this is practically impossible to do, unless you happened to be lucky enough to purchase a shipper full of Egg games. Having said that, there is also the possibility that wherever you get your games in Japan, they may be the ones responsible for fiddling with the serial numbers. Either way, as a collector, I'm sure you noticed this and I would imagine, questioned your 'source' about it, no? I realize this is not impossible to happen upon, I myself have two Gold Manhole games with sequential serial numbers, however, I do not sell reproduced items, nor do I have a reputation (warranted or not) of tampering with games. I think a lot of people here would like to hear your explanation of the two egg games with sequential serial numbers, and how something so rare just happened to end up in your possession? As for the serial number range that is fake or real, I'll leave the experts to answer that one, but, in terms of your question as to why someone would fake a serial number, the answer is simple, serial numbers are faked when a very rare game (like Egg) is found or purchased at a reduced price because it no longer has its serial number (it was peeled off, or wore out). Then, to increase the value of the game, a fake serial number is added, and voila, the game is now worth 2 to 3 times more just because of a little piece of silver-coloured paper with numbers on it. (same thing applies to battery covers). And Wichet, your English is just fine. AC
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Post by Grim Tim on May 3, 2008 21:34:07 GMT 2
Wichet,
I was initially very interested in your products - who wasn't? - but i do not think you have been advertising the products you list as 'non original' Nintendo games for very long. Last year i was lucky enough to come to Bangkok and was quite willing to come to the other side of the city to pay you a visit. I wanted to see the games first hand before making a purchase and you were quite talkative on eBay with regard to me purchasing from you until i mentioned visiting you in person whilst i was there, and then i heard nothing back from you.
That made my mind up for me.............
I am glad you now advertise them as non genuine but, like Aris says, i think you need to put this in the buyers view more.
I would say your English is just fine, better than last year and a whole lot better than my Thai ;D
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Post by hobbymodel on May 4, 2008 3:01:26 GMT 2
Hello Wichet, First of all, I would like to commend you on visiting this forum (the equivalent of entering a lion's den...) and being concerned enough to want to explain your side of the story. A lot of people wouldn't care, or couldn't be bothered, so, thanks for posting the msg above. Regarding the products that you manufacture and sell, I think putting the statement "this is not an original Nintendo product" is a good start, and those statements should be clearly shown in the pictures of your auctions. This not only protects yourself from legal issues with Nintendo, but, it prevents others, who have purchased your product(s), from re-selling them as "original" items, and then, pleading ignorance if/when challenged by a subsequent disgruntled buyer. One problem I forsee with this, is that by printing this statement only on the back of the box and manual, people who buy from you, can re-sell your product as "original" by not showing pictures of the back of the box and manual..... I realize you can't control what other people do, but like I said, printing the statement on your products is a good start, and perhaps having it on the front as well would be best. Regarding the Egg games, we have noticed that you sold Egg games with sequential serial numbers (24555762 & 24555763) this is practically impossible to do, unless you happened to be lucky enough to purchase a shipper full of Egg games. Having said that, there is also the possibility that wherever you get your games in Japan, they may be the ones responsible for fiddling with the serial numbers. Either way, as a collector, I'm sure you noticed this and I would imagine, questioned your 'source' about it, no? I realize this is not impossible to happen upon, I myself have two Gold Manhole games with sequential serial numbers, however, I do not sell reproduced items, nor do I have a reputation (warranted or not) of tampering with games. I think a lot of people here would like to hear your explanation of the two egg games with sequential serial numbers, and how something so rare just happened to end up in your possession? As for the serial number range that is fake or real, I'll leave the experts to answer that one, but, in terms of your question as to why someone would fake a serial number, the answer is simple, serial numbers are faked when a very rare game (like Egg) is found or purchased at a reduced price because it no longer has its serial number (it was peeled off, or wore out). Then, to increase the value of the game, a fake serial number is added, and voila, the game is now worth 2 to 3 times more just because of a little piece of silver-coloured paper with numbers on it. (same thing applies to battery covers). And Wichet, your English is just fine. AC Hi Aris, thanks for your comment again, 1)i will print " Non Official Product" on the below left. 2)egg game is in New condition.(i got 20 games in hand) if it has a fake serial number why they weren't printed in 23xxxxxx!!! and i just was wondering 23000000 to 23999999 (total million units , all are real series number??) for this egg story , i can remove this item off from my ebay store if you wish
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Post by hobbymodel on May 4, 2008 3:04:09 GMT 2
Hi Aris, i foget something 1) i will print "non official product " on the below left of the front of the box.
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Post by hobbymodel on May 4, 2008 3:16:57 GMT 2
Wichet, I was initially very interested in your products - who wasn't? - but i do not think you have been advertising the products you list as 'non original' Nintendo games for very long. Last year i was lucky enough to come to Bangkok and was quite willing to come to the other side of the city to pay you a visit. I wanted to see the games first hand before making a purchase and you were quite talkative on eBay with regard to me purchasing from you until i mentioned visiting you in person whilst i was there, and then i heard nothing back from you. That made my mind up for me............. I am glad you now advertise them as non genuine but, like Aris says, i think you need to put this in the buyers view more. I would say your English is just fine, better than last year and a whole lot better than my Thai ;D Hi grimtim, i think i can remmember you. and sorry for i didn't see you in Thailand , because i speak english very bad and mostly i will not understand when i listen English.The best way is communication by the write . (i need sub title in Thai ) although when i read english included your massage too, i use time to understand.(i must to have dictionary) i think you will accept my apologise and not angry me for the story in the past.
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Post by hobbymodel on May 4, 2008 4:24:07 GMT 2
what i did. 1)i just added my description on ebay.
************** hi and thanks for visit my store , the buyers who purchase my products (box w/manual) after May 04,2008 My Product will be revised , The Right below of the front of the Box and The back of the box will be printed "Non Official Product" It need to do because someone didn't give the full description when re-sell this box with game. thanks for visit my store again, Wichet *********************** what i will do. i will revise my products(print "Non Official Product") and will add picture to my items.
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Post by Gawaleus on May 4, 2008 8:57:05 GMT 2
Hello Wichet and thanks for your information here.
Besides the boxes, you are reproducing many other Game&Watch items, such as manuals, red stickers, papers and battery packaging.
Will you print the "non official product" on those as well?
Patrick
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Post by mpanayiotakis on May 4, 2008 18:45:19 GMT 2
Hello Wichet, glad to see you in here. It's a nice thing that you will add "non-official product" on the box and manual. As Aris said, it's a good start. At least we can avoid people who wish to resell them as genuine.
Michael
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Post by hobbymodel on May 5, 2008 3:37:22 GMT 2
Hello Wichet and thanks for your information here. Besides the boxes, you are reproducing many other Game&Watch items, such as manuals, red stickers, papers and battery packaging. Will you print the "non official product" on those as well? Patrick hi patrick, 1)non-official product will be printed on the back of manaul. but the front of manual wil be added control mark that it will help every one to notice. 2)red sticker is very small to add "non official product" but i will print control mark such as dot or R for notice. and the back of the sticker still has brand of sticker factory. 3)Maxell re-packing , i do not put maxell batteries in the packing and the expiry date is red.(original is black) 4)caution sheet will be added control mark too. wichet
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Post by hobbymodel on May 5, 2008 3:39:48 GMT 2
Hello Wichet, glad to see you in here. It's a nice thing that you will add "non-official product" on the box and manual. As Aris said, it's a good start. At least we can avoid people who wish to resell them as genuine. Michael hi michael, i am glad to see you and everyone in here too. wichet
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Post by Br3nd4N on May 6, 2008 2:34:18 GMT 2
Wichet,
I must commend you on your attitude to help with the problem.
I'm sure you understand that having reproduced items in the market could cause the price on real items to drop, and as a seller I'm sure you don't want this as much as anyone else here.
I myself would be much happier if the items were clearly marked, either with a contol Mark or letter, or maybe even a logo you come up with?. The text on the back of the game is also a good idea.
-B
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Post by runepune on May 6, 2008 7:54:37 GMT 2
Is it just me that have a problem believing that someone have 20 egg's with matching serials, but no boxes for any of them? That amount of games must have come from a store and they wouldn't throw away the boxes and just sell the games, would they? Most likely they would have been in the original boxes and perhaps also in the original shipping box. Now, imagine the price on Ebay for an original shipping box with 10 NOS Egg's!!
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Post by mpanayiotakis on May 6, 2008 14:33:34 GMT 2
Actually, we've seen sellers in the past trying to sell loads and loads of new loose items. The crystal climber comes to mind so it's not unheard of..
Michael
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Post by Br3nd4N on May 7, 2008 0:27:10 GMT 2
Also, it could be water damaged salvage stock, I've heard of a few cases now where cartons of stock had been highly damaged by water, in fact there was a box of mario cement factorys on ebay not long ago that had been water damaged. The boxes were so bad, that your were really only buying the games. (sold individually)
-B
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